Tuesday, December 24, 2013

MISTER NEVER GIVE UP WANTED FOR PROCESS COSTS

Alain Horoit’s lawyer offered an agreement he would pay what he owes for this blog to be removed. I agreed.
Upon which Alain Horoit  ignored the agreement so it never took place and then his lawyer refused to work with him.
Now he has to carry the complete process costs. He neglected to pay the judicial expenses. The German judicial system became one on the long list of his creditors.

Saturday, October 12, 2013

MISTER NEVER GIVE UP to NEVER GIVE BACK TRYING TO SILENCE HIS VICTIMS

Not only did mister Never Give Up take my money but he also tried to make me be silent about it.
Now he finally lost the cause in the court and has to carry the costs. 
Another entry on his list of creditors is now the German justice.

Thursday, August 29, 2013

STEALING LOGOS IS NOT A CRIME

http://www.marketingtribune.nl/nieuws/bikkembergs-schikt-met-jumpstylers/

Bikkembergs schikt met jumpstylers


AMSTELVEEN - Bikkembergs heeft een conflict met een organisatie van jumpstylefeesten en -muziek geschikt. Het logo van het label Jumping is not a Crime leek te veel op dat van het Vlaamse kledingmerk.

In overleg met Bikkembergs is het logo zo aangepast dat het niet meer te veel op dat van het modemerk lijkt. Shirts met daarop een jumpend mannetje en de tekst'Jumping is not a Crime' worden binnen twee weken uit de handel gehaald.
 
Eigenlijk onzinAlain Horoit van IMP Music heeft de zaak geschikt omdat hij geen zin had in een rechtszaak, maar vind het eigenlijk onzin: 'Het is een dansende jumper in een cirkel van lettertjes . De gelijkenis met Bikkembergs kleding is geheel toevallig. Dan kun je alle poppetjes in lettercirkels wel gaan verbieden.'
 
Associatie met iets ordinairs
De advocaat van Bikkembergs denkt heel anders over de kwestie. 'Bikkembergs is een exclusief merk. Associatie met iets ordinairs als jumpen tast dat imago aan. Daarom moet het uit de handel worden gehaald.'(Bron: z24.nl via zibb.nl)
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Bikkembergs settles with jumpstylers
AMSTELVEEN - Bikkembergs has a conflict with an organization of parties and jumpstyle music suitable. The logo of the label Jumping is not a Crime seemed too much like that of the Flemish clothing.

In consultation with the logo Bikkembergs is adjusted so that it is not too similar to that of the fashion brand. Shirts with a jumpend male and the text "Jumping is not a Crime" be removed from the market within two weeks.

actually nonsense
Alain Horoit Imp Music has the suitable case because he did not want a lawsuit, but think it's actually nonsense: "It's a jumper dancing in a circle of print. The similarity with Bikkembergs clothing is entirely coincidental. Then you have to ban all puppets. "In literal circles

Association with something vulgar

The lawyer Bikkembergs think very differently about the issue. 'Bikkembergs is an exclusive brand. Association with something vulgar as jumping to touch that image. Therefore it must be removed. "From the market (Source: z24.nl via zibb.nl)

Saturday, June 29, 2013

transport company Beuk,
Van Berckelweg 32, Postbus 150, 2200 Ad Noordwijk, Holland 
Deals Entertainment  Transporation for members Amsterdam nach Antwerpen   Erev Gala Ball 23.01.2010  708,19 legal action through Polina Lisserman polina.lisserman@gmail.com  
Yoni Vromen  Amsterdam, Holland Trendy Networkz commission for bringing members from Amsterdam Super Feuj Ball 17.04.2010 60 legal action through Polina Lisserman polina.lisserman@gmail.com rdvromen@hotmail.com
transport company Beuk,
Van Berckelweg 32, Postbus 150, 2200 Ad Noordwijk, Holland 
Deals Entertainment  Transporation for members Amsterdam nach Antwerpen   Erev Gala Ball 23.01.2010  708,19 legal action through Polina Lisserman polina.lisserman@gmail.com  
Yoni Vromen  Amsterdam, Holland Trendy Networkz commission for bringing members from Amsterdam Super Feuj Ball 17.04.2010 60 legal action through Polina Lisserman polina.lisserman@gmail.com rdvromen@hotmail.com
Nathan Bouscher, Haarlemmermeerstraat 154-II, 1058 KK Amsterdam, Holland Trendy Networkz commission for bringing members from Amsterdam Super Feuj Ball  17.04.2010 60 legal action through Polina Lisserman polina.lisserman@gmail.com nathanbouscher@hotmail.com
ECJS, represented by Direktor Zevi Ives, Rue Froissart 113, 1040 Brussels, Belgien Trendy Networkz loan Erev Gala Ball 23.01.2010 1.550 legal action through Polina Lisserman polina.lisserman@gmail.com z.ives@ecjs.org
Marina Lebenson Bergerstr. 376 60385 Frankfurt am Main, Deutschland Alain Horoit piano player Erev Gala Ball  23.01.2010 350 legal action through Polina Lisserman polina.lisserman@gmail.com marinalebenson@gmx.de
     
                       
MAGAZIN Deals Entertainment advertisement Erev Gala Ball  23.01.2010 750                      
Benjamin, Joodse agenda, Stichting Joods Maatschappelijk Werk, represented by  Michel Kotek, Lairessestraat 145/147, Amsterdam, Holland   michel.kotek skype                  
Internet-Magazin,   advertisement   541,48   m.kotek@joodswelzijn.nl                  
Joods Actueel, Lange Leemstraat 174, 2018 Antwerpen     michel.kotek skype                  
contact person:                        
Mr. Michael                        
Mrs. David                        
Daniela Kalmar-Schönberger, Düsseldorferstr. 5, 10719 Berlin, Deutschland Alain Horoit ticket sales Erev Gala Ball 23.01.2010 1.230   https://www.facebook.com/kalmi?fref=ts                  
then Event-manager Jewish community Cologne                      
Tehila sprl,represented by . Marco Serfaty, 34 square Georges Marlow, 1180 Uccle, Belgien Alain Horoit Catering Erev Gala Ball  23.01.2010 1.570   https://www.facebook.com/marco.serfaty?fref=ts                  
Touvinal B.v.b.a., Boozeplace, Berlarij 26-28, 2500 Lier, Belgien contact person: Manager Ingrid Verpoorten Deals Entertainment delivery Laurent Perrier Champagne Erev Gala Ball  23.01.2010 17.112,30   contact with the lawyer Polina Lisserman                  
                               
Chantal Helman     personal loan 9000 legal action https://www.facebook.com/chantal.helman?fref=ts                  
Ravid Aharon     Erev Gala Ball am 23.01.2010 1000 no legal action https://www.facebook.com/DJ.Ravid?fref=ts stereotip@live.be ravidaharon skype              
Nathan Bouscher, Haarlemmermeerstraat 154-II, 1058 KK Amsterdam, Holland Trendy Networkz commission for bringing members from Amsterdam Super Feuj Ball  17.04.2010 60 legal action through Polina Lisserman polina.lisserman@gmail.com nathanbouscher@hotmail.com
ECJS, represented by Direktor Zevi Ives, Rue Froissart 113, 1040 Brussels, Belgien Trendy Networkz loan Erev Gala Ball 23.01.2010 1.550 legal action through Polina Lisserman polina.lisserman@gmail.com z.ives@ecjs.org
Marina Lebenson Bergerstr. 376 60385 Frankfurt am Main, Deutschland Alain Horoit piano player Erev Gala Ball  23.01.2010 350 legal action through Polina Lisserman polina.lisserman@gmail.com marinalebenson@gmx.de
     
                       
MAGAZIN Deals Entertainment advertisement Erev Gala Ball  23.01.2010 750                      
Benjamin, Joodse agenda, Stichting Joods Maatschappelijk Werk, represented by  Michel Kotek, Lairessestraat 145/147, Amsterdam, Holland   michel.kotek skype                  
Internet-Magazin,   advertisement   541,48   m.kotek@joodswelzijn.nl                  
Joods Actueel, Lange Leemstraat 174, 2018 Antwerpen     michel.kotek skype                  
contact person:                        
Mr. Michael                        
Mrs. David                        
Daniela Kalmar-Schönberger, Düsseldorferstr. 5, 10719 Berlin, Deutschland Alain Horoit ticket sales Erev Gala Ball 23.01.2010 1.230   https://www.facebook.com/kalmi?fref=ts                  
then Event-manager Jewish community Cologne                      
Tehila sprl,represented by . Marco Serfaty, 34 square Georges Marlow, 1180 Uccle, Belgien Alain Horoit Catering Erev Gala Ball  23.01.2010 1.570   https://www.facebook.com/marco.serfaty?fref=ts                  
Touvinal B.v.b.a., Boozeplace, Berlarij 26-28, 2500 Lier, Belgien contact person: Manager Ingrid Verpoorten Deals Entertainment delivery Laurent Perrier Champagne Erev Gala Ball  23.01.2010 17.112,30   contact with the lawyer Polina Lisserman                  
                               
Chantal Helman     personal loan 9000 legal action https://www.facebook.com/chantal.helman?fref=ts                  
Ravid Aharon     Erev Gala Ball am 23.01.2010 1000 no legal action https://www.facebook.com/DJ.Ravid?fref=ts stereotip@live.be ravidaharon skype              

Friday, February 22, 2013

"If you want to keep matters undisclosed pay back what you owe me"


-------- Пересылаемое сообщение --------
От кого: Aline <alinkap@mail.ru>
Кому: Shalom From Hatikvah <hatikvah1@hotmail.com>
Дата: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 20:14:37 +0400
Тема: Re[4]: Docs

I want my money back and I am not playing your games anymore.

If the money is not paid there will be consequences.


09 декабря 2011, 20:00 от Shalom From Hatikvah <hatikvah1@hotmail.com>:
Let's follow the legal procedure, as that was your wish as well. 
The revocation and the shares are two different matters.
As said, the revocation will be adopted by the majority, if it may please you or not.  This will be done.

For the share of sales, further instructions will be sent by our lawyer within the shortest terms, expectedly early next week.

As you seem to change of mind practically every week, I hope that you understand that we have to settle this once and for good and the best way to achieve that is to let our lawyer handle this issue the proper way.  If it is your true intention to do so, this will be arranged within the following week or two.

Anything that you may anticipate against that, will only make it longer for you to get the payment as agreed in our sales of share agreement.



Best,
Alain


From: alinkap@mail.ru
To: hatikvah1@hotmail.com
Subject: Re[2]: Docs
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 19:41:40 +0400

since I did not get any money from you I am not resigning.

The sales of shares is not valid since you did not keep your side of the agreement.

If you want to keep matters undisclosed pay back what you owe me, Alain.


09 декабря 2011, 19:33 от Shalom From Hatikvah <hatikvah1@hotmail.com>:
Alina,

Not you, not myself should fear that anyone of us handle behind the back.  If there's a person who could have handle behind your back, that's me, and which I thus never did.  Everything was clear and you were not forced to anything.  I will suggest to keep confidential matters undisclosed.  That counts for me as well.

I have sent you the share holder meeting planned this 19th of December in Milan. The originals were sent through our lawyer by courier to your address.

It is not a must for you to be present at the meeting, as the revocation will be adopted by the majority.
You can also decide to be represented, but that isn't a must neither.

Whatever you decide, I will like to add that there will be no opportunity at all to discuss any personal issue.

Best Regards,
Alain




From: alinkap@mail.ru
To: hatikvah1@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Docs
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 18:52:50 +0400

OK Alain,

just to let you know -

if I wanted to discredit you with the lawyer I would have sent her for example the copy of the skype conversation about opening the company - where you are asking me to be the second person - I can send you if you do not remember it , but it was not my goal when I contacted her.

I told you I was contacting the lawyer - this is when I sent her the mail - then you said you would call me so I did not undertake any action, also in your mails you said to me - " you can contact the lawyer but she won`t tell you anything new" - I can send you copy of this mails of yours so you can look at what you youreself are writing, so I sent her email not to go behind your back - I told you I would contact her and was sure you did not object. It gives me more confidence to contact her directly and I think it is my right since you do not represent me as the situation changed from when we opened the company when we were together.

I am in a place with no internet access I will be back on Dec 9 - to let you know.

Please have her send anything she needs to send to me directly. I accept the document only from her.


Alina.



02 декабря 2011, 19:04 от Shalom From Hatikvah <hatikvah1@hotmail.com>:
Alina,

The lawyer is preparing the documents.
I have asked her to proceed as quick as possible with this.
I expect to be able to send it to you shortly after the weekend.

I wanted to keep you informed.

Best,
Alain

LA VRAIE HISTOIRE - THE TRUE STORY


------- Original Message --------
Subject:AH
Date:Fri, 27 May 2011 06:40:31 +0000
From:Shalom From Hatikvah <hatikvah1@hotmail.com>
To:<alinkap@mail.ru>



Voila, below find his integral reply.  You can translate it by google if you don't understand some words.
My mail to him described clearly my doubts wether the company will ever start.
In the mail, he seems to be willing to show me that he is telling the truth
I will see what I reply today or tomorrow... as I do want action too.


The points that are in HIS advantage are:

1) Although I know that he could have done so many things behind my back, all the contracts were signed by myself.  You know, it was so easy for him to frame them, but he didn't.
2) They invest money and pay high lawyers fee.  People that only talking, aren't usually investing anything!!  But they do...
3) It's a clever business, not just a silly import-export set up.  So perhaps there is still a chance that the plans unfold the way expected


The points in HIS disadvantage:
1) That although we were ready since november or february, that apparently he is still looking for the right people to work on the field.  That had to be done months ago.  How could he ever told me that he was ready if he hadn't the right engineer on the field?



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detrompe toi ....
et ne rentre pas dans un cercle parano
notre societe n au AUCUNE activite
si ce n est que de payer des frais d avocats tres eleves 
on est rentrer dans un domaine ou on est les premiers
personne n y travaille
donc on ne peut se baser sur l experience, ni sur les erreurs de quelqu un d autr
on n a personne a qui demander ou se renseigner comment faire
on doit tout decouvrir par nous meme, tout faire par nous meme
on a fait pleins d erreurs qui nous ont couter bcp d agent et bcp de temps
mais comme on a reussi a franchir des etapes presque impossible a realiser, on continue
l acces au GME (qui est necessaire pour nous) et que nous avons obtenu , est aujourd hui , pour les nouvelles societes qui arrivent, encore plus dificile et plus long
c est pour ca que j avance prudamment, car si je brule ah je ne recommencerais pas avec une autre
si j arrive a verouiller notre histoire comme il faut on est tranquille pour tres tres tres longtemps
mais ici, si qqn veut nous suivre, on a au moins 1 an d avance .....
c est un peu comme si on a reussi a rentrer dans le grand chateau, on est dedans, il faut juste trouver la bonne orientation
on a aujourd hui TOUS les elements pour commencer, toute la structure et logistique est creer.
Mais maintenant, tous ces contrats qu on a fait, je dois les INTERCONNECTER, pour que tout fonctionne ensemble, et la je suis un peu perdu
Pour le moment on essaye de trouver une personne locale, qui connait le metier et qui va pouvoir operer notre structure.
j ai 2 candidats potentiels,
l idee c est que des que un de ces candidats est ok, tu partes a milan pour etablir le bureau.
voila, c est toute la VRAIE hstoire ....


translation

not deceived you ....
and do not return into a paranoid circle
in our society there is no activity
except for paying very high  lawyers fee

we go into an area where we are the first
nobody works there
so we can not rely on experience or on errors of someone else
there is no one to ask

we must discover by us all even, we do everything even
we made a lot of errors with the agent and time which cut us
but we managed to overcome the steps almost impossible to achieve, and we continue

the access to the GME (which is necessary for us) and we got is today, for new companies coming, it is more and a longer process

that is why we advance carefully, because if I burn ah I would not do with someone else

if I happen to manage our story as we should be very very very quite (plenty of money) for a long time

but here, if somebody wants to follow us, we have at least 1 year ahead .....

c is a bit like if you have managed to get into the big castle, we are inside, you just need to find the right direction

today was ALL the elements to begin with, the whole structure and logistics create.

But now, all these contracts that we have done, I have to INTERCONNECTING so that everything works together, and I'm a little lost

For the moment we try to find someone local who knows the profession and will be able to operate our structure.

I have two potential candidates

 the idea is that one of these candidates that is ok, you go to milan for establishing the office.

voila, this is the REAL hstoire ....

TOUCHING YOU STILL BEHIND ME. DO YOU STILL TRUST ME?


[30.01.2010 14:52:56] Alain Horoit: ok
[30.01.2010 14:52:58] Alain Horoit: here
[30.01.2010 14:53:07] Alain Horoit: but talk when my roommate leaves the house
[30.01.2010 14:53:12] Aline: OK
[30.01.2010 14:53:19] Aline: did you talk to her?
[30.01.2010 14:53:43] Alain Horoit: more or less yes
[30.01.2010 14:53:49] Alain Horoit: will talk to her tomorrow
[30.01.2010 14:54:34] Alain Horoit: she knows that i am in a financial dip, but knows too my possible deals with Laurent Perrier and sponsors
[30.01.2010 14:55:00] Alain Horoit: yesteday, the vice president of JDC, replied to me and found EREV interesting.
[30.01.2010 14:55:07] Alain Horoit: he asked for more information
[30.01.2010 14:55:13] Aline: it was really a great event
[30.01.2010 14:55:34] Aline: you have talent
[30.01.2010 14:55:43] Alain Horoit: don't tell anything to Zevi. Perhaps they are being sponsored by JDC as well and he wouldn't want me to be as well...
[30.01.2010 14:55:50] Aline: no no
[30.01.2010 14:56:00] Aline: he just told me
[30.01.2010 14:56:05] Aline: that he would call you
[30.01.2010 14:56:14] Alain Horoit: jDC is the biggest jewish sponsor organization
[30.01.2010 14:56:31] Alain Horoit: zevi gets from some organization 500.000€ sponsoring
[30.01.2010 14:56:39] Alain Horoit: i wish i could get that...
[30.01.2010 14:56:46] Aline: Zevi is religious
[30.01.2010 14:56:52] Aline: Hashem is helping him
[30.01.2010 14:56:58] Aline: if you had kids
[30.01.2010 14:57:08] Aline: He would provide for you, too
[30.01.2010 14:57:21] Alain Horoit: well, he never let me have kids so far...
[30.01.2010 14:57:24] Alain Horoit: He...
[30.01.2010 14:57:41] Aline: maybe it was His mistake
[30.01.2010 14:59:05] Aline: but you have to regain your self confidence
[30.01.2010 14:59:10] Alain Horoit: i found a good phrase
[30.01.2010 14:59:17] Aline: yes?
[30.01.2010 15:00:44] Alain Horoit: A good person don't change. Everything around you does.
[30.01.2010 15:00:55] Aline: by the way what you had told me was wrong - that I like hard times.
[30.01.2010 15:01:12] Aline: when I met you - you were "covered with chocolate" as they say in russian
[30.01.2010 15:01:45] Aline: you had that car and you took me out - just refreshing your memory
[30.01.2010 15:03:12] Alain Horoit: i wonder why Hashem is giving me all opportunities to achieve things, but let me always in troubles. One hour before the event, it could have cancelled. I succeeded and got giant media coverage which I needed to show other people like JDC
[30.01.2010 15:03:59] Alain Horoit: now i don't do anything without sponsoring or investments by others first. Even the Hotel is now willing to give me everything for free
[30.01.2010 15:04:56] Alain Horoit: but this week i'm in big shit
[30.01.2010 15:05:06] Alain Horoit: also marco stops and block everything
[30.01.2010 15:05:23] Aline: who is this Marco, you worked together before?
[30.01.2010 15:05:26] Aline: what does he do?
[30.01.2010 15:05:44] Alain Horoit: he was responsible for the company as i couldn't have it on my name
[30.01.2010 15:05:59] Aline: which one, start stop records?
[30.01.2010 15:06:00] Alain Horoit: the company is mine but he is gesheftfuhrer
[30.01.2010 15:06:12] Alain Horoit: no the new one deals entertainment
[30.01.2010 15:06:17] Aline: Geschaeftsfuehrer
[30.01.2010 15:06:32] Aline: so why does he block?
[30.01.2010 15:06:35] Aline: to spite you?
[30.01.2010 15:07:46] Alain Horoit: he wants out of it and wants to hold every money that gets in to pay anything that needs to be paid. I told him that if he blocks every money, i wouldn't do anything anymore and he'll get in more troubles cause i know to negotiate with people
[30.01.2010 15:08:12] Aline: right
[30.01.2010 15:08:19] Aline: what is his profession?
[30.01.2010 15:08:25] Aline: does he do anything else?
[30.01.2010 15:08:42] Alain Horoit: he has a car wash and a newspaper shop, but both aren't working well now
[30.01.2010 15:08:48] Aline: I see
[30.01.2010 15:09:22] Aline: it should be in his interest to make it work
[30.01.2010 15:09:29] Aline: if he does not understand it...
[30.01.2010 15:09:50] Aline: did he tell you how much he took that night?
[30.01.2010 15:10:20] Alain Horoit: the problem, this week the latest i have to pay back some people that are friendly when you need them, but less friendly when you don't pay on time
[30.01.2010 15:10:52] Aline: did you try talking to Yves?
[30.01.2010 15:11:10] Aline: how much do you owe?
[30.01.2010 15:11:17] Aline: 20 000?
[30.01.2010 15:11:46] Alain Horoit: no, yves my brolter won't do anything. If he could and wanted, he would have already called me cause he heard it from my parents how serious my situation is
[30.01.2010 15:12:05] Aline: he is waiting for you to call
[30.01.2010 15:12:17] Aline: he wants you to be the one asking
[30.01.2010 15:13:01] Alain Horoit: i need one sponsoring or closer, one deal with Laurent Perrier and everything could be fine again. My unlucky business adventure last already now more than 9 months which is not that long, but now i'm facing dangerous people
[30.01.2010 15:13:52] Alain Horoit: he is not waiting for my call... if i'm calling i am weak and takes it the easy way. if he is really willing to help, he would have called but he doesn't or can't obviously
[30.01.2010 15:14:09] Alain Horoit: last time i called... he didn't do anything either
[30.01.2010 15:14:22] Aline: last time was along time ago
[30.01.2010 15:14:47] Aline: did your parents talk to him?
[30.01.2010 15:15:05] Alain Horoit: my brother is not an option now. Perhaps later one day, but not now. I don't even know if he has money or that his wife controls everything
[30.01.2010 15:15:49] Aline: what are we going to do...
[30.01.2010 15:16:08] Aline: do they know where your parents live?
[30.01.2010 15:16:54] Alain Horoit: they know where my brother lives and they could trace also where my parents live
[30.01.2010 15:18:00] Alain Horoit: i can flee, but they will get then my family, and that's not an amount where it's worth to flee or to destroy everything i builded up, especially now that i proved to be able to organize important events and that LP is about to give the money
[30.01.2010 15:18:51] Aline: It is very scary
[30.01.2010 15:19:00] Aline: does Marco know about it?
[30.01.2010 15:19:10] Aline: He let you down obviously
[30.01.2010 15:19:32] Alain Horoit: yes, he's not family after all
[30.01.2010 15:19:38] Alain Horoit: and his mother died yesterday
[30.01.2010 15:19:56] Aline: I see
[30.01.2010 15:20:21] Aline: but still he just stole from you
[30.01.2010 15:20:44] Alain Horoit: i have nothing to give in guarantee or any belonging which is mine to have a lent
[30.01.2010 15:21:27] Aline: and those people, who are they?
[30.01.2010 15:21:28] Aline: mafia?
[30.01.2010 15:21:37] Alain Horoit: no mafia
[30.01.2010 15:21:40] Aline: off
[30.01.2010 15:21:42] Alain Horoit: i don't deal with mafia
[30.01.2010 15:21:56] Aline: at leastb some good news
[30.01.2010 15:22:01] Alain Horoit: but people that send people to get their money back
[30.01.2010 15:23:02] Alain Horoit: ok alina, i will try to rest a bit. i'm tired of thinking how i will be able to settle things next week. I have not much options anymore
[30.01.2010 15:23:26] Aline: Alain, I wish I could help
[30.01.2010 15:23:50] Aline: even if I could sell it would take too long
[30.01.2010 15:24:15] Aline: I am getting a few months rent now but it is not a sum you need
[30.01.2010 15:24:43] Aline: I can only pray God helps you and us
[30.01.2010 15:25:48] Aline: I can give you $ 1200 next week
[30.01.2010 15:25:52] Aline: this is all
[30.01.2010 15:26:48] Alain Horoit: touching you still behind me
[30.01.2010 15:27:06] Aline: you find me crazy I know
[30.01.2010 15:27:20] Aline: crazy to love you and ask nothing in return
[30.01.2010 15:27:46] Alain Horoit: in these times, i only learn what life is about
[30.01.2010 15:28:08] Alain Horoit: as i said, everything surrounding can change, but not the persons that you have around you
[30.01.2010 15:28:17] Aline: if your partner and your family is not behind you
[30.01.2010 15:28:21] Aline: life is not worth living
[30.01.2010 15:28:25] Aline: worth
[30.01.2010 15:28:47] Aline: and I will love you always, no matter in what times
[30.01.2010 15:29:04] Alain Horoit: unfortunately my parent haven't much. They lost too much over the past year with a process that they lost
[30.01.2010 15:29:14] Aline: what process?
[30.01.2010 15:29:25] Aline: court?
[30.01.2010 15:29:27] Aline: court
[30.01.2010 15:31:28] Alain Horoit: the heritage of my grandma. It belonged to my mum, but her semi-brother and sisters attacked her during 13 years. We thought that they wouldn't make a chance as this is really a family issie where the state wouldn't really care... but with bad luckk, we lost it (due to a lawyer that didn't care less) and my parents had to pay it back with a huge interest of 13 years!! It was almost 3 x the original capital...
[30.01.2010 15:32:04] Aline: oh God
[30.01.2010 15:32:43] Aline: a jiddishe mazl
[30.01.2010 15:32:58] Alain Horoit: i advised my mother not to pay it and let them proceed further! And i said that if she had to go to jail for 2 months, so be it. But my dear brother in Spain said it wasn't worth to take the chance.
[30.01.2010 15:33:16] Alain Horoit: I would have taken that chance and not paying
[30.01.2010 15:33:29] Alain Horoit: my mum sold her appartment for this
[30.01.2010 15:33:49] Aline: she would not have gone to jail
[30.01.2010 15:33:59] Alain Horoit: otherwise she could have easily put her appartment in garantie and get a loan from the bank
[30.01.2010 15:34:01] Aline: it is not a criminal trial
[30.01.2010 15:34:12] Alain Horoit: correct, it wasn't criminal
[30.01.2010 15:34:22] Alain Horoit: but they listened to my brother
[30.01.2010 15:34:47] Alain Horoit: they thought that i just didn't care. but the other party, believe me, they laughed at us when we paid!
[30.01.2010 15:35:14] Aline: so your grandma was married twice and your mother is from her first marriage?
[30.01.2010 15:36:29] Alain Horoit: no my mother is from her last husband and all the money were also made with that last husband, that's why my mother was morally in right to say that it was her money, as no one from the other family even cared about my grandma, except for the heritage
[30.01.2010 15:37:24] Alain Horoit: you know that i learned that money is nothing. G-D gave and took it back and He will give me back again, at the time that He'll judge that i will be totally ready for it
[30.01.2010 15:37:50] Aline: money is just means for other things
[30.01.2010 15:37:58] Alain Horoit: but this week i will face some the hardest time of my life if He doesn't give me...
[30.01.2010 15:38:36] Aline: I can only pray
[30.01.2010 15:39:14] Aline: I am asking ha Kadosh Baruh Hu to help you
[30.01.2010 15:39:52] Aline: the times are hard now for many people
[30.01.2010 15:40:20] Aline: maybe He is showing which things are important
[30.01.2010 15:40:27] Aline: but right now I am powerless
[30.01.2010 15:40:51] Aline: I am paying off debts that I made and I barely have enough for food
[30.01.2010 15:41:00] Alain Horoit: i know
[30.01.2010 15:41:08] Alain Horoit: i am thankfull for this
[30.01.2010 15:41:09] Aline: and selling the apartment could last long
[30.01.2010 15:41:25] Alain Horoit: who's talking about selling!!!
[30.01.2010 15:41:26] Alain Horoit: ?
[30.01.2010 15:41:38] Aline: I would do that for my husband
[30.01.2010 15:41:45] Alain Horoit: for 20.000 no need to sell an apprtment
[30.01.2010 15:42:19] Aline: I don;t even know exactly how much it is worth
[30.01.2010 15:42:31] Aline: it was $ 400 000 before the crisis
[30.01.2010 15:42:41] Aline: now it is probbaly $ 100 000
[30.01.2010 15:42:45] Aline: no idea
[30.01.2010 15:43:02] Alain Horoit: what appartment are u talking about?
[30.01.2010 15:43:07] Aline: mine
[30.01.2010 15:43:16] Aline: not in germany
[30.01.2010 15:43:17] Alain Horoit: in germany?
[30.01.2010 15:43:23] Aline: no, nothing in Germany
[30.01.2010 15:43:47] Aline: in Germany my mother and sister are living from state aid
[30.01.2010 15:44:00] Aline: we can have nothing in Germany and EU
[30.01.2010 15:44:23] Aline: my mother is getting from the state for her stay at the bejt avot
[30.01.2010 15:44:30] Aline: around 3000
[30.01.2010 15:44:39] Aline: they would make me sell everything and pay it
[30.01.2010 15:44:50] Alain Horoit: oh ok
[30.01.2010 15:45:07] Aline: my sister is registered as a single mother
[30.01.2010 15:45:26] Aline: because her partner does not want to be responsible for his son
[30.01.2010 15:45:34] Aline: but it is another story
[30.01.2010 15:45:52] Aline: and my father never helped me or my sister - only his new family
[30.01.2010 15:46:06] Aline: not that he is a Rockefeller either
[30.01.2010 15:46:12] Alain Horoit: i know
[30.01.2010 15:47:25] Aline: wherever you go, I 'll go with you
[30.01.2010 15:47:35] Aline: hope it won't be Mongolia
[30.01.2010 15:47:42] Aline: we have our heads
[30.01.2010 15:47:47] Aline: we have our hands
[30.01.2010 15:48:04] Alain Horoit: at the moment i have to think of settling a few things not to harm my family. i can't leave
[30.01.2010 15:48:04] Aline: we have our immoirtal souls
[30.01.2010 15:48:25] Alain Horoit: good that i'm not in diamonds
[30.01.2010 15:48:32] Aline: why?
[30.01.2010 15:48:44] Aline: in chocolate would be better
[30.01.2010 15:48:44] Alain Horoit: there, if you lose money, it's in the hundred thousands
[30.01.2010 15:49:14] Aline: I believe in you
[30.01.2010 15:49:16] Alain Horoit: if they win, alos in hundred thousands...
[30.01.2010 15:49:20] Aline: yes
[30.01.2010 15:49:50] Aline: so for now we are not driving a Bentley
[30.01.2010 15:50:04] Alain Horoit: you know i'm thinking every possible option, but can't find
[30.01.2010 15:50:12] Aline: I know
[30.01.2010 15:50:25] Aline: I am wringing my hands I can't help
[30.01.2010 15:51:09] Aline: I wish I could at least do something for you
[30.01.2010 15:52:14] Aline: at least don't ask me to leave you in bad times
[30.01.2010 15:52:15] Alain Horoit: do u still trust me?
[30.01.2010 15:52:28] Aline: I will stand by you until my last breath
[30.01.2010 15:53:15] Aline: but hey - if you don't pay ME back - it is even worse
[30.01.2010 15:53:26] Aline: I would expect you as a decent man to marry
[30.01.2010 15:53:37] Alain Horoit: what if we go get a loan there (without naming it here)? they shouldn't make a huge problem for 5000 or 10.000 or whatever?
[30.01.2010 15:53:43] Aline: and it should scare you more than mafia
[30.01.2010 15:54:13] Aline: you cannot write it?
[30.01.2010 15:54:31] Aline: I will do whatever I can for you
[30.01.2010 15:54:38] Aline: if I am not dying

[30.01.2010 15:55:00] Alain Horoit: i cherish your words
[30.01.2010 15:55:08] Aline: I have the appointment on feb 8th
[30.01.2010 15:55:09] Alain Horoit: good to know i'm not alone
[30.01.2010 15:55:15] Aline: no baby you are not alone
[30.01.2010 15:55:28] Alain Horoit: what appointment?
[30.01.2010 15:55:35] Aline: with the Uni Klinik
[30.01.2010 15:55:43] Aline: where they should try to find out
[30.01.2010 15:55:57] Aline: what is the shit that is running
[30.01.2010 15:56:23] Aline: I am not thinking of it right now
[30.01.2010 15:56:44] Aline: we are there for each other
[30.01.2010 15:56:48] Aline: as u said
[30.01.2010 15:56:53] Aline: 2 brave hearts
[30.01.2010 15:57:22] Aline: i know I am stupid - but I am very old fashioned
[30.01.2010 15:57:26] Aline: as it seems
[30.01.2010 15:58:29] Aline: but if I do this - I have one condition
[30.01.2010 15:59:01] Alain Horoit: no conditions alina
[30.01.2010 15:59:15] Aline: OK, no conditions
[30.01.2010 15:59:52] Alain Horoit: the best way is the way it should happen, no conditions
[30.01.2010 16:00:07] Aline: you don't know what I was going to say
[30.01.2010 16:00:18] Aline: but it does not matter
[30.01.2010 16:02:37] Alain Horoit: if you have something on your name, then you can have a loan, even if we have to go there. My purpose now is to get sponsored and wait till the money comes, and am ready now to find a job to wait untill these moments come. So i could always pay back. I feel an immense relief and certainty that the work I did and what i achieved will turn out to be beneficiary as firms trust my abilities.
[30.01.2010 16:03:07] Alain Horoit: i am not investing anymore
[30.01.2010 16:03:25] Alain Horoit: think of it
[30.01.2010 16:03:31] Alain Horoit: don't let me know now
[30.01.2010 16:03:36] Aline: OK